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	<title>Comments on: Intel-powered XO is too expensive and consumes too much power</title>
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		<title>By: daryl</title>
		<link>http://charbax.com/2008/01/04/intel-diamondville-and-menlow-processors-not-low-costpower-enough/#comment-4428</link>
		<dc:creator>daryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 03:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been boycotting Micro$oft and Intel for years.  We only buy AMD boxes, and delete the windoze.

I understand the XO runs a version of Fedora.  I'm gonna see if I can get Debian to work on it when I get mine next week... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been boycotting Micro$oft and Intel for years.  We only buy AMD boxes, and delete the windoze.</p>
<p>I understand the XO runs a version of Fedora.  I&#8217;m gonna see if I can get Debian to work on it when I get mine next week&#8230; <img src='http://charbax.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: raffy</title>
		<link>http://charbax.com/2008/01/04/intel-diamondville-and-menlow-processors-not-low-costpower-enough/#comment-4427</link>
		<dc:creator>raffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Intel has nothing to match the AMD Geode in terms of delivering performance while being low power.

AMD Geode is powerful. Sadly, the XO is being perceived as slow. Could it be the XO software?

Puppy Linux is just another Linux, but it is robust and small enough to run speedily in the GX466, XO's abandoned processor. OLPC did not welcome Puppy Linux to its laptop project, but Intel did, although belatedly.

If the XO would not be perceived as a performance machine, then the Intel laptop would come out as the market's low-cost laptop, and not the XO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Intel has nothing to match the AMD Geode in terms of delivering performance while being low power.</p>
<p>AMD Geode is powerful. Sadly, the XO is being perceived as slow. Could it be the XO software?</p>
<p>Puppy Linux is just another Linux, but it is robust and small enough to run speedily in the GX466, XO&#8217;s abandoned processor. OLPC did not welcome Puppy Linux to its laptop project, but Intel did, although belatedly.</p>
<p>If the XO would not be perceived as a performance machine, then the Intel laptop would come out as the market&#8217;s low-cost laptop, and not the XO.</p>
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		<title>By: wvhillbilly</title>
		<link>http://charbax.com/2008/01/04/intel-diamondville-and-menlow-processors-not-low-costpower-enough/#comment-4426</link>
		<dc:creator>wvhillbilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find myself wondering if Microsoft had anything to do with LANCOR's phony patent suit against OLPC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself wondering if Microsoft had anything to do with LANCOR&#8217;s phony patent suit against OLPC.</p>
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		<title>By: Terrell Prude' Jr.</title>
		<link>http://charbax.com/2008/01/04/intel-diamondville-and-menlow-processors-not-low-costpower-enough/#comment-4421</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrell Prude' Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 23:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am *so* glad that AMD now has quad-core chips available for sale.  We really need AMD around to keep--how does The Register call them?--"Chipzilla" honest.  :-D  Funny that even though AMD was totally Microsoft's whore there for a while ("Athlon64: the world's only Windows-compatible 64-bit processor"), Microsoft still didn't produce a 64-bit Windows until Intel came out with their versions.  Yes, "Wintel" is very much in effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am *so* glad that AMD now has quad-core chips available for sale.  We really need AMD around to keep&#8211;how does The Register call them?&#8211;&#8221;Chipzilla&#8221; honest.  <img src='http://charbax.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  Funny that even though AMD was totally Microsoft&#8217;s whore there for a while (&#8221;Athlon64: the world&#8217;s only Windows-compatible 64-bit processor&#8221;), Microsoft still didn&#8217;t produce a 64-bit Windows until Intel came out with their versions.  Yes, &#8220;Wintel&#8221; is very much in effect.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 20:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you're right on with "I think that Intel doesn’t want to share it’s R&#38;D, distribution network, design ideas and proprietary technologies with a non-profit like OLPC. I think that Intel hates the open-source hardware/software/distribution revolution."

Intel's market dominance in the CPU chip market is due entirely to the fact that Microsoft ONLY works on Intel-compatibles.  This leaves companies like AMD with severe disadvantages despite the fact that in my opinion, AMD has had more innovation in their chip designs (generally lower-power consumption for cooler operation at comparable performance levels).

Because of cross-licensing terms between AMD &#38; Intel, I suspect that AMD is unable to get traction with any revolutionary chip designs without also licensing those designs to Intel simply because MS won't write to their innovations if they did whereas MS *WILL* write to Intel innovations leaving AMD to play catch-up.

I'm glad to see that the fact that Intel has lost track of customer design desires (low cost, cool operation, no need for powered fans or liquid nitrogen for CPU cooling, etc) is coming back to haunt them.

I support the OLPC use of AMD chips because it not only lowers cost, but also promotes competition - providing AMD a market where they can truly lead and where their innovation can be utilized by an OS that is not controlled by a third-party with known ties to their biggest competitor.

I also support the OLPC use of AMD chips because the selection of AMD chips endorses AMD as the more innovative CPU chip developer.  I'm tired of the way the MS code bloat has continued to chew up every last bit of the increased CPU power being provided by chip manufacturers and I cannot tell you how pleased I am that someone has recognized the vacuum at the low-end of the desktop/laptop market and that it can be filled using Linux on cheap, low-end hardware.

The OLPC project is scaring MS no end.  We now have generations of kids that represent vast future markets growing up and learning on Linux-based laptops - laptops that cannot be coerced by MS to run Windows because they just do not have the vast resources required to handle the MS code-bloat.  Add to this that the monolithic design of the MS operating system, the increasing size of the MS operational footprint for minimum performance requirements and the evolution of the entire MS ecosystem all work against MS ever being able to work on low-end hardware again.  This is further exasperated by the possibility (probability?) that over time the OLPC may change to a non-x86-based CPU and you find that the third-world market is being pulled out from under MS by the OLPC and Linux's ability to be hardware and CPU agnostic.

In summary, *ANY* ideas, technology, or R&#38;D that Intel shares with OLPC will ultimately undermine their monopoly hardware position and their partnership with their monopoly software buddies at MS.  In fact, I would not be surprised to find that at least some of Intel's reticence to follow through on commitments made to the OLPC project have much to do with their MS partner's objections because MS knows this is one game they are totally unprepared to play, but that they can sabotage via Intel's participation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right on with &#8220;I think that Intel doesn’t want to share it’s R&amp;D, distribution network, design ideas and proprietary technologies with a non-profit like OLPC. I think that Intel hates the open-source hardware/software/distribution revolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>Intel&#8217;s market dominance in the CPU chip market is due entirely to the fact that Microsoft ONLY works on Intel-compatibles.  This leaves companies like AMD with severe disadvantages despite the fact that in my opinion, AMD has had more innovation in their chip designs (generally lower-power consumption for cooler operation at comparable performance levels).</p>
<p>Because of cross-licensing terms between AMD &amp; Intel, I suspect that AMD is unable to get traction with any revolutionary chip designs without also licensing those designs to Intel simply because MS won&#8217;t write to their innovations if they did whereas MS *WILL* write to Intel innovations leaving AMD to play catch-up.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see that the fact that Intel has lost track of customer design desires (low cost, cool operation, no need for powered fans or liquid nitrogen for CPU cooling, etc) is coming back to haunt them.</p>
<p>I support the OLPC use of AMD chips because it not only lowers cost, but also promotes competition - providing AMD a market where they can truly lead and where their innovation can be utilized by an OS that is not controlled by a third-party with known ties to their biggest competitor.</p>
<p>I also support the OLPC use of AMD chips because the selection of AMD chips endorses AMD as the more innovative CPU chip developer.  I&#8217;m tired of the way the MS code bloat has continued to chew up every last bit of the increased CPU power being provided by chip manufacturers and I cannot tell you how pleased I am that someone has recognized the vacuum at the low-end of the desktop/laptop market and that it can be filled using Linux on cheap, low-end hardware.</p>
<p>The OLPC project is scaring MS no end.  We now have generations of kids that represent vast future markets growing up and learning on Linux-based laptops - laptops that cannot be coerced by MS to run Windows because they just do not have the vast resources required to handle the MS code-bloat.  Add to this that the monolithic design of the MS operating system, the increasing size of the MS operational footprint for minimum performance requirements and the evolution of the entire MS ecosystem all work against MS ever being able to work on low-end hardware again.  This is further exasperated by the possibility (probability?) that over time the OLPC may change to a non-x86-based CPU and you find that the third-world market is being pulled out from under MS by the OLPC and Linux&#8217;s ability to be hardware and CPU agnostic.</p>
<p>In summary, *ANY* ideas, technology, or R&amp;D that Intel shares with OLPC will ultimately undermine their monopoly hardware position and their partnership with their monopoly software buddies at MS.  In fact, I would not be surprised to find that at least some of Intel&#8217;s reticence to follow through on commitments made to the OLPC project have much to do with their MS partner&#8217;s objections because MS knows this is one game they are totally unprepared to play, but that they can sabotage via Intel&#8217;s participation.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Houppermans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Houppermans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intel didn't "leave" the OLPC project.  AFAIK they were on notice for repeatedly acting/advising against it in favour of their own equipment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intel didn&#8217;t &#8220;leave&#8221; the OLPC project.  AFAIK they were on notice for repeatedly acting/advising against it in favour of their own equipment.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Berrigan</title>
		<link>http://charbax.com/2008/01/04/intel-diamondville-and-menlow-processors-not-low-costpower-enough/#comment-4423</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Berrigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 19:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Intel's spots get opened up to view and they are not pretty; nor were M$ dirty tricks when Gates was caught blatantly lying under oath, and Balmer's greed exposed.
When Corporations get so large, so greedy that they lose all morality they need to be shunned and shut-down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Intel&#8217;s spots get opened up to view and they are not pretty; nor were M$ dirty tricks when Gates was caught blatantly lying under oath, and Balmer&#8217;s greed exposed.<br />
When Corporations get so large, so greedy that they lose all morality they need to be shunned and shut-down.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Pearson</title>
		<link>http://charbax.com/2008/01/04/intel-diamondville-and-menlow-processors-not-low-costpower-enough/#comment-4422</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 22:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IBM sold off its laptop division to a Chinese company called Lenovo.  Certainly they have the manufacturing muscle to deliver, but I can't speak on their behalf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IBM sold off its laptop division to a Chinese company called Lenovo.  Certainly they have the manufacturing muscle to deliver, but I can&#8217;t speak on their behalf.</p>
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